mrblack wrote:You have to remember that when dealing with "angels", they follow their own set of rules and guidelines and that they don't have to actually do what you asked them, specially if it not part of their alignment. So if you're asking them to break the rules for you, then I doubt your petition is going to be successful. If it's aligned with their core, then they would do everything in their power to have it done for you. But like I said, there are no guarantees.....
I very much agree with this. I work with both demonic and angelic entities and have always gotten best results when I look to angels for insight and devils for practical results. In other words, angels seem to perceive and interact with the perfection of the way things are according to their spheres.
So in the past when I have evoked (I like
Fio's method best, but I have also worked
R.O.'s angelic grimoire to good effect and recommend both) and interacted with
Haniel in order to help a client find love, the following has happened. Haniel is an Angel of Love, one of the Seven Teaching Angels, and that of Venus / Netzach. When he agreed to help, he modified the client's perceptions about herself and about the people to whom she was attracted in order to help her find love. It was illustrative. Haniel didn't mess with creation beyond that because he is an angel and thinks things are the way they should be. Michael has done the same with protection as has Raphael with healing. Just as Mr. Black says above:
If it's aligned with their core, then they would do everything in their power to have it done for you
I read, "their core," as their essence, their sphere, their function in creation--their "alignment," as Mr. Black puts it. But I think, because they are all about maintaining "the rules," they most often work illustratively when they do "everything in their power."
Contrast this with the evocation of Zepar, a powerful demon concerned with lust and "love." Because he is a demon, he is less concerned with perception than with action. He gets practical, physical results whether or not the client is pleased with them in the long run. In his case, it's a question of judgement (which, I suppose, comes down to perception in a different way): is she prepared to get what she's asking for? We all know this story. Someone calls up Zepar and asks for love work. He says sure and a deal is struck. Before long, the practitioner or client wakes up in bed beside a highly attractive person who may be (1) insane, (2) diseased, (3) obsessive, (4) constantly high, (5) broke-ass and always hungry, (6) possessed by
Zuul, or have some other lingering, undesirable condition. If asked, Zepar would say, "Wait, you asked for a hottie and for romance / love. I delivered." His work is not primarily illustrative, it's material / operative. You have to use your own judgment. He's not interested in the tapestry of creation staying the way it is. Angels don't work like that.
I know it's not like this for everyone and I know this is an oversimplification. For example, there is a well known hoodoo spell that asks for three wishes and invokes St. Michael. I have a long explanation for how that works and for why it's an exception to the above paradigm. But for our purposes here, it's enough to note it as one procedure that does not fall into the illustrative / operative dichotomy.
So when we consider NAP, we need to understand that, yes, it is mainly a system of petitioning spirits. But, as noted, these spirits are not always linked with each other and the chants are individual operations that do not necessarily create magical synergy between them. Unlike the
Grimorium Verum, NAP does not have an intermediary, operative "spirit of the book" or a
gateway spirit like Scirlin. This means that Elubatel may decide not to work with someone until they've proven themselves through self-purification (which can be attained through some of the NAP workings) and he may not be impressed at all that Petahyah and Opiel have brought the practitioner results.
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