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[The Capturing God]

i have seen many people doing central pillar before incantations ?

why ? this order is never mentioned in the book

in the book its point A + incantations + coming back ,thats it

[mrblack]

i have seen many people doing central pillar before incantations ?
why ? this order is never mentioned in the book
in the book its point A + incantations + coming back ,thats it

it's called innovation.

[ryanmercer]

If what I've quoted is correct then the book is a lie. The entire premise of the NAP is that anyone off the street can do it and get results within 7 days. Yes the book specifies 7 days. In fact almost every example given in the book was #1 performed by a desperate amateur with no magical ability and #2 manifested very quickly. Of course, the examples in the book are all lies, however the purpose is to illustrate what one can and should expect. Let us stop making excuses for why something doesn't work if we follow the path precisely - this is often something one hears in mainstream religion. Oh it didn't work because you didn't have enough faith....BS....If you are following the instructions correctly, it should work. If it does not work....then NAP does not work.

I don't believe the examples are fabrications or lies, at all. Sure it may have been the practice during the period but I believe for the most part they are quite true. That being said they were "performed by a desperate amateur with no magical ability and #2 manifested very quickly" AHA! The answer is right there! They were DESPERATE most of them were people that were very very desperate, they'd heard this man may be able to help with his rituals and they desperately needed change in their life, one was about to be cheated out of a half million dollars, one was unemployed for over a year and had a desperate need for an income. Most of them had exhausted all other means and were looking for a miracle, they were open to a miracle. They were ignorant of other systems and practices so their minds were not clouded with doubt. They were told "do this it will work" and with all other options available to them exhausted they gave it their all and BELIEVED.

On al the threads for NAP I've read on here where people haven't had results it's because they don't believe. They mention doubts and fears in their complaint. 'I don't think I'm doing it right, it isn't working', 'I haven't seen results, am I doing something wrong?'. Sew a seed of doubt and you'll handicap yourself. You have to BELIEVE. This is true of any magic system or tradition. If you have doubts or negative expectations for the outcome, you'll get nothing or worse than nothing. A good example of this can be found in the Bible, Jesus walks on the water... Peter gets out of the boat and begins to walk towards the Lord, he then gets afraid that he will sink and sure enough he starts to sink because he doubts his ability to do as Jesus is. Whether you are Christian or not this is a perfect example of doubt overpowering ability.

[ryanmercer]

Well said philodox...the stories sound too fantastical to be a 100 % true but they are simply a way of establishing belief in the system and that is what causes the magick to take place...the belief.

Or perhaps you know subpar people.

Example: a former best friend of mine (I had to part ways with him because I was drinking a fifth a night or more and was just getting in a negative place) at my age in the 90's... he and his wife had their house going through foreclosure, they moved in with his mother and he was unemployed and absolutely could not find work, everyone was turning him down, he was an Indian (as in India) American (born here to immigrant parents) with hair down to his shoulder blades living in a suburb of Los Angeles... he went to interview after interview and no one would hire him. One day he went to a landscaping place, happened to be wearing a ball cap and had his hair tucked up under the hat. Small company of less than a dozen people, guy gave him the job doing manual labor landscaping.

Turns out that company had a massive amountof debt, close to 400k USD in the mid 90's, that's a LOT. After a while the owner kept trying to sell him the company for 200k USD telling him it had that much debt and he just wanted a clean break. My former friend said "no, I'll take the company though debt and all" guy agreed (he got to shrug off 400k in debt on someone else) so he went to the guy's house and took the one work truck and assumed the debt, realizing it in fact was twice a smuch as the guy stated. Less than a decade later he had turned that company into a company with close to 1500 employees only accepting annual landscaping contracts north of 1 million USD. When we parted ways almost a year ago he had 13 businesses in 6 states and would go to Barret Jackson auctions drop a million, Vegas drop a million, take all his senior managers at his companies on vacations together, etc.

Now, if I didn't know the guy and I read that R. C. from California turned went from unemployed loser to a multi-millionaire in less than a decade through hard work and determination in a book about work-ethic or something I'd scream, "oh that's a load of crap" but you see I know him, we were best friends spending nearly every day together and talking every single day for years. But see, I saw his houses, I saw his cars, I saw him buying dozens of people breakfast regularly after closing his club most nights, he took me clothes shoping for my birthday and took a year's worth of my net income, in cash, to buy me clothes because he knew I wasn't happy with my wardrobe (I didn't ask or even hint that I wanted him to). You see, good things do happen to people, fantastical things happen to people. In fact my meeting of him was fantastical, a friend took me to midget wrestling for my birthday... this drunk Indian guy comes up and starts chatting me up and punching me... the next day we are best friends, a week later I have full access to his club and the keys to the kingdom... my wish was his command.

If I learned one thing from him, it's that you have to believe... YOU. CAN. NOT. BE. NEGATIVE. He called me Eeyore because I was always so negative, every day he called me Eeyore. We parted ways about 10 months ago because I was tired of drinking so much and being called Eeyore. One morning I just snapped on him and said "This is the point in my life where I have to tell you goodbye" 'Really? Ok, cool!'. That's the last we said to each other. I'd been asking him to help me start my own business empire but every idea I or he would have for me I'd be negative about, I'd come up with reasons it wouldn't work. After we parted ways I kept this thinking. Few months later I started my small business, within the first 4 months I did 20k in sales netting about 11k (half my ANNUAL take-home from my real job). I figured if he could do it I could do it.

My point in this post and the post above is two-fold: don't be negative and don't tell yourself that the stories must be lies or half-truths because they sound fantastical, crazy shit happens to people all the time. Just because it's never happened to you doesn't mean it's impossible.

[Blackfinger]

great post ryan (and a good read) - sounds words

[~Seraph]

Ryan, great post



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[HermeticOdin]

To the original poster, in doubt I would greatly simplify your workings. Strip it off to its bare bones. NAP should work with ONLY the point A meditation + 1x incantation/chant to spirit.

Just like it is described in the book. Adding stuff on top of that is good, but if you are already in doubt about your workings, adding more stuff in just makes trouble shooting the ritual so much harder.

Also, it gives more room for doubt, which is a total killer for any working whatsoever (was it my bornless ritual that botched it all, was my visualization of the middle pillar not optimal? etc.)

Just try it out as it is outlined in the book. Once you get results (no matter how minuscule they are), you can start adding stuff to it to give it more oopmh. And when you feel that one of the additions affects your results adversely, you can easily troubleshoot it and leave it out next time around.

Good luck!

[toothache]

To the original poster, in doubt I would greatly simplify your workings. Strip it off to its bare bones. NAP should work with ONLY the point A meditation + 1x incantation/chant to spirit.

Just like it is described in the book. Adding stuff on top of that is good, but if you are already in doubt about your workings, adding more stuff in just makes trouble shooting the ritual so much harder.

Also, it gives more room for doubt, which is a total killer for any working whatsoever (was it my bornless ritual that botched it all, was my visualization of the middle pillar not optimal? etc.)

Just try it out as it is outlined in the book. Once you get results (no matter how minuscule they are), you can start adding stuff to it to give it more oopmh. And when you feel that one of the additions affects your results adversely, you can easily troubleshoot it and leave it out next time around.

Good luck!

great post!

[summerland]

i have seen many people doing central pillar before incantations ?

why ? this order is never mentioned in the book

in the book its point A + incantations + coming back ,thats it

Yes.... To raise energy is good.... Do the Boneless One 3xs and really feel energy after MP/CP. After awhile these spirits will know you. I free style it more than whats in the book. The biggest thing about working with this Grimoire is building a relationship with these spirits..... And that comes with time.

[Slater]

Here's the deal, all ritual work requires connection and contact with inner power to be pulled through. Sometimes the ritual itself is enough to reactivate contact, if it's built into the ritual that is. Sometimes it's up to you.

I can't stress this enough; if any ritual is not contacted, you're doing self- help style psychological pantomime. You might get some benefit from it, but that's not magic. It's just not, and frankly the idea of contaminating magic with psychology (and contaminating psychology with magic) is flawed. When this cross over first happened, psychology was like a new toy and they tried hard to make it fit but all it did was ensure a whole bunch of would be magicians sat spinning their wheels, never learning to make actual contact.

If it's not working, chances are you're not able to make the work a contacted ritual. There are some core skills you should have as a magician (like basic meditation and breath techniques) and without them, you're pretty much wasting your time. Rather than saying "it doesn't work" it's more likely you're the weak point in the situation and you need to be working on your foundational skills.

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