O Delano wrote:Not to go off-topic, but I must not be very good at searching the forums...can someone provide links to the Solar banishing and the KoF banishing? Please? With a cherry on top?
Clayfield wrote:But, today, I found out that the success I requested has not come to pass. This was one of those plain and simple success or failure scenarios. It's not like I asked for $10,000 and only received $10. I asked for a particular success, which was within my sphere of influence and only required a slight magical nudge - or so I thought.
O Delano wrote:Either way, I did the Chant with the intent of having better luck and fortune in general. The next 2 days were absolute hell. I'm not kidding. I could not do ANYTHING right. Absolutely NOTHING at my job went right. A severe depression I've been suffering through flared up really badly for those two days, leaving me an emotional wreck. I couldn't even have fun doing something as simple as playing a damn videogame. It sucked, and I couldn't find any relief from it. After those two days things went back to normal which, while not that great, was much desired over those two days.
Neophyte wrote:I usually do respectful/polite request. And follow up after manifestation with gratitude that takes the form of candles and incense or the same offerings that I used to make the request with. For example, St. Expedite gets asked with candles, incense, and pound cake. After he delivers, he gets thanked with candles, incense, and pound cake.
Sometimes I just give them offerings for no reason - like I would do with a friend. I buy a gift just because I think they would like it. Just sort of touching base and letting them know I appreciate them and didn't forget the favour.
Neo
Madmartigen wrote:Interesting discussion. While at it, I'd like to address two issues I've had as well - perhaps this might help somebody.Clayfield wrote:But, today, I found out that the success I requested has not come to pass. This was one of those plain and simple success or failure scenarios. It's not like I asked for $10,000 and only received $10. I asked for a particular success, which was within my sphere of influence and only required a slight magical nudge - or so I thought.
Every handful of times I was in a similar situation, I had exactly the same result. Whenever I approached Elubatel with the "this is just a piece of cake - averything is almost there, just push it slightly" - nothing happened, or even I had the situation turned to worse. I guess you just don't use a jet plane to go to a pub by the corner. I learned very well to use talismans or candles when stuff is easy - they tend to work excellently. Don't overpush simple things.O Delano wrote:Either way, I did the Chant with the intent of having better luck and fortune in general. The next 2 days were absolute hell. I'm not kidding. I could not do ANYTHING right. Absolutely NOTHING at my job went right. A severe depression I've been suffering through flared up really badly for those two days, leaving me an emotional wreck. I couldn't even have fun doing something as simple as playing a damn videogame. It sucked, and I couldn't find any relief from it. After those two days things went back to normal which, while not that great, was much desired over those two days.
This I have also seen quite a few times. In my opinion it is a sign that your Chant is working succesfully. Simply put, every action has a reaction, and if things tend to get better around you, something - be it your unconsious, be it energy patterns around you, be it whatever - tends to resist. I learned that you just have to be patient and continue with the chant, also banishing the negatives. Losing trust in your Magic or even blaming Elubatel for bad circumstances is a very bad idea - this is not his doing.
As an example - couple of weeks ago I had very similar situation during the Chant of Success period. 3 days were absolutely hell for me, where everything tended to go wrong or fall apart. In the end of these 3 days (just if a conclusion), a lady just drove clearly in my car when on the parking (and I love my car and care for it).
A few days later, however, when I was continuing with the Chant, everything cleaned up. The matters that I was struggling appeared meaningless, and insurance paid me almost twice what was needed for the car repairs.
NAP is pretty powerful and Elubatel is a mighty and very special spirit, but care must always be taken, and sometimes other means are needed as well - I mean it is not the only magic that is out there, so choose your tools wisely.
Best
M.
NoxLumina wrote:A thought I've had recently is that angelic beings simply do not think like us. They are not us!
Strangely enough, this comes to me both from work with computers and association with people on the autistic spectrum. If people don't even all parse language the same way, who's to say spirits do?
When you "command" Elubatel as per the NAP book, you're not commanding him the way you'd command your dog to sit up, roll over, play dead.
You're "commanding" him the way that you type a command into your computer's command prompt. It simply can't work with input or process data in any other way, you have to speak its language.
Under such conditions - to speak precisely and specifically, to "command" as such, *is* part of how you show respect. My UPG regarding angels is that you are dealing with beings who are very, very different from us and that there is a lot of information that's easily lost in the filters on *both* sides.
You're not wasting his time with unclear requests or gobbledigook and you're speaking in the way he can best understand and work with.
So the answer is, do you command angels? Yes and no. It depends upon your definition of "command".
NoxLumina wrote:A thought I've had recently is that angelic beings simply do not think like us. They are not us!
Strangely enough, this comes to me both from work with computers and association with people on the autistic spectrum. If people don't even all parse language the same way, who's to say spirits do?
When you "command" Elubatel as per the NAP book, you're not commanding him the way you'd command your dog to sit up, roll over, play dead.
You're "commanding" him the way that you type a command into your computer's command prompt. It simply can't work with input or process data in any other way, you have to speak its language.
Under such conditions - to speak precisely and specifically, to "command" as such, *is* part of how you show respect. My UPG regarding angels is that you are dealing with beings who are very, very different from us and that there is a lot of information that's easily lost in the filters on *both* sides.
You're not wasting his time with unclear requests or gobbledigook and you're speaking in the way he can best understand and work with.
So the answer is, do you command angels? Yes and no. It depends upon your definition of "command".
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